Li'l Muck Episode 32: Zachary Durand and David Fry

Hillary and Tina interview self-proclaimed UFO enthusiasts Zachary Durant and David Fry.

Zachary Durand is a south Florida native, an aide to the mayor of Fort Lauderdale, a volunteer for local democratic organizations, and an amateur astronomer.
His interest in the phenomenon has been lifelong but was significantly elevated in 2017 when the New York Times broke the story of the Pentagon's secret UFO program. He has spoken at a variety of institutions, including NYU and Pace University, and strives to lead by example as a face for a younger generation of public servants.

David Fry practices law as an Assistant Public Defender and is a former history teacher with absolutely zero formal training in engineering or physics. That said, much of his legal practice exists among more the nebulous concepts of perspective, bias, and intent -- those pesky human attributes that all so often creep into "knowledge" and obscure what would otherwise be universally observable as "truth." His passions have always been directed toward the unknown, wherever it may exist in time or space, with a particular focus as to how humans develop knowledge about ourselves and the universe in which we exist. In defending his clients, David has learned to question the basis of what experts or lay individuals call fact by probing to question their basis of knowledge and processes for ascertaining a conclusion.

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